Interview with John Seifert: Understanding Hydration as a Bodily Process

For many outdoor enthusiasts, hydration doesn’t appear to be a pressing issue of concern, much less a notion that requires constant vigilance. It’s a no-brainer, right? We feel that familiar dry itch at the back of our throats, the inside of our mouths lose their usual moist condition – so we instinctively reach for drink of water to sooth ourselves and cool down. It may seem as simple as that, but the issues of hydration and rehydration dig much deeper than our bodily thirst indicators.

I was privileged to interact with John Seifert of Montana State University, and through his expertise, gained an enlightening perspective on the idea of hydration. A veteran of the Gatorade physiology lab, Seifert has spent decades studying the relationship athletes and adventurers have with hydration. In this first installment of my didactic interview with Seifert, we discuss everything from preventative measures against dehydration to easy ways to promote better liquid retention while out on the trail.

Let’s begin with a little bit more about you and your expertise:

Well how far back do you want me to go? I have my PhD, which I received from the University of Utah. I’m now at Montana State University where I’m an associated professor at the movement science lab. I go back to the mid-80s with hydration work. I worked in Gatorade’s exercise physiology lab for four years. After earning my PhD, I went to a number of schools, and have been dealing with hydration, dehydration, and rehydration for the past three decades. 

Many of us operate on the concept of “I’m thirsty, so I should drink water.” Let’s take things a step further. How does thirst operate as a hydration status indicator?

We have to divide this into two different components. The first is short term, or acute. We also have long term, also known as chronic. Now thirst, day in and day out, is a good indicator of hydration status. However, in the short term, it’s not the best or most reliable indicator.

 If you go out for a bike ride, run, or hike, and all of the sudden you realize you’re thirsty – you’re already in the realm of dehydration.

What can we do as a preventative measure to make sure we don’t have to deal with being dehydrated?

Start drinking right away. In fact, make sure that before you head out, you take a good drink of water. About 45 minute to an hour before you hit the trail, ingest a big serving of water.  Once exercise starts, just take sips. One of the things we find out is that we can never totally stop dehydration – what we want to do is try to minimize how quickly it sets in. I think the most important thing is the rate of change. If you can start just sipping, most people can develop it into a habit. Take periodic sips and you’ll be ahead of the game.

So, is it better to sip or gulp? I remember the collegiate hung-over mornings spent nursing a beverage I was ordered to ‘sip,’ but in outdoor scenarios where you are down to your last few ounces of liquid, it seems more fruitful to take it down in a large gulp.

Let’s assume you’re drinking plain water. If I say, sit down and drink a quart of water – that’s entirely different from taking in eight ounces of water. Your body responses in a completely different way.

The fluids in your body become concentrated, and as soon as your take that big gulp of water, it goes straight to the kidneys. The issue is that the water you just ingested dilutes the fluid in your kidneys too quickly, and your body simply ends up producing a lot of urine. Your kidneys basically say “hey, there’s too much here,” and works to get rid of it. Your body tends to retain about 50% of the water you’re drinking.

So if you drink too quickly, you may think you’re doing a good thing, but you’re actually being counterproductive. If you slowly drink, and maintain a slow drinking schedule of six to eight ounces, your kidneys don’t detect that rapid dilution like they would if you took 32 ounces in.

What we’re really looking at here is, how quickly do you dilute the fluids in the body? The faster you dilute those fluids, the faster you’ll produce urine – which is where it becomes counter productive. You want to get fluid into the body, but you want to retain it.

How exactly does this process of staying hydrated or rehydrating operate?

Rehydration is made up of three components that work together. First, how fast are fluids emptying from the stomach? Secondly, how fast are they absorbed from the small intestines into the body? Thirdly, how much of those fluids are actually retained by the body?

Water is really good, because it empties from the stomach extremely fast. It has low to moderate absorption properties once it’s in the small intestine – however when we look at retention, we drop off the cliff with only 50-60% retention.  You can drink a quart of water, but you’ll only retain half of that. If you can sip, you tend to retain more fluids for a longer period of time, when speaking in terms of plain water.

Is hydration the same for all sports? Biking through the flat Everglades on a sunny day versus hiking through the Flat Irons in the high altitude of Colorado? 

You’re certainly going to become dehydrated faster when you’re at altitude, just because of the dryness of the climate and the stronger solar radiation. You also have to take into consideration the balance between environmental temperature and humidity. Those two factors can create issues for anyone because when it’s high, humid conditions, it’s very difficult to evaporate sweat.

 When sweat doesn’t evaporate, it’s harder for the body to maintain your body temperature. That’s why if you go hiking or climbing when it’s warm out, you want to wear cotton. This helps maintain the moisture next to the skin, which keeps you cool and will eventually evaporate. When it’s cold out, that cotton is detrimental to the body. So you have to consider both clothing and fluids.

I didn’t realize all the elements involved – I moved six months ago from hot, humid Florida out to Denver, Colorado, and I absolutely noticed all these issues you’re talking about.

Absolutely. Regardless, no matter where you are, you need to remember that the key is to keep sipping water. Keep yourself hydrated.

As a traveler who finds myself constantly trekking to various parts of the country to enjoy wild pursuits that inevitably always leave me panting from exertion, I found the bevy of information I unearthed from Seifert’s pool of infinite hydration wisdom to be a valuable asset added to my outdoor survival skills. Far beyond a thirst quenching moment of satisfaction while out on the trail, ingesting liquids to keep our bodies functioning optimally is a key component in ensuring that we are able to stay out longer, explore further, and conquer our ever-growing tick lists of summits, hikes, and trails.

In my opinion, one of the most resounding messages from this interview was the idea of forming a constant habit of taking periodical sips from your hydration pack or bottle – address hydration before it becomes an issue. Sure, drinking more water may lead to more pit stops on the trail, but when have we ever had an issue with popping a quick squat behind a bush? Seems like a small price to pay for ensuring a continued level of health while out on epic adventures.

Katie Boué is the voice of TheMorningFresh.com - an adventure blog focusing on climbing, long-term road trips, budget travel, and the outdoors. Raised in the mangroves of Miami, recently departed from six months spent exploring the Rocky Mountains around Denver, and currently living out of a car to maximize travel time, Katie lives for the thrill of adventure. Follow Katie on Twitter.

Comments

  1. Really enjoyed the article, good to understand how the body works. I think too often I chug at water sources when backpacking rather than sipping along the way. No wonder I feel dehydrated and tired!

    • I’m with you. I always chugged. Somewhere I thought I read that was what you needed to do for the vital organs. I am going to test out the new info on my trip to Havasu Falls next week. 102 degrees should be the perfect environment to put all of this to the test.

      • Tim! You didn’t tell me you’re going to Havasu (or you did, and I forgot). I literally just got back, and let me tell you, it was outrageous. I was thinking about the Hydration Summit the whole time I was out there, and constantly kept reminding myself to take sips during the hikes in and out. It made a huge difference, and kept me feeling great (or as great as you can feel when its 100 degrees outside with no shade). Enjoy your trip, we’ll have to talk more about it.

  2. Good info, Katie! I can’t help but feel like this just scratches the surface and could easily turn in to a 2 or 3 part interview delving deeper into John’s expertise.

    I do like the comment about how clothing and sweat effects hydration, something a lot of people in moderate climates don’t think about. Having hiked at very high elevations and in very dry, hot climates I have seen how clothing and exposure can make a massive difference in the body’s ability to retain moisture and stay hydrated.

    Good interview!

    • You’re in luck Mr Creech! There will be a second part coming soon.

    • It absolutely is turning into a two-parter. When I first transcribed our interview, I was so overwhelmed by all the information I had gathered. Stay tuned for the second part! Not sure if we’ve settled on a publication date for the second segment, but I’ll keep you updated.

      And I agree, I even though it wasn’t directly about drinking, the comment about clothing and sweat brought up a really important (and in my opinion, extremely overlooked) concern in regards to hydration. I hardly ever think about the material of my clothing in relation to being appropriate for staying hydrated. I just grab a shirt, and go!

      Thanks for the feedback Dave.

  3. GREAT post – hydration is such a tricky thing to understand AND explain to others! Well-said!

  4. Dr. Seifert’s expertise noted:

    “The fluids in your body become concentrated, and as soon as your take that big gulp of water, it goes straight to the kidneys. The issue is that the water you just ingested dilutes the fluid in your kidneys too quickly, and your body simply ends up producing a lot of urine. Your kidneys basically say “hey, there’s too much here,” and works to get rid of it. Your body tends to retain about 50% of the water you’re drinking.”

    This is one of the issues of consideration when it comes to hydration systems that deliver water into your body. Hydration systems that allow you to take in smaller amounts of water more frequently generate a better hydrating mechanism. It is why many folks started using squeeze water bottles, and flexible hydrating flasks again rather than hydration packs or hard water bottles that require sucking.

    When their heart rate is up, and their breathing rate is up, sucking water from a hydration system can be less than convenient and hence hydrating is set aside until there is time to rest, a slow point in the course, a down-hill grade, etc. Then, when such an opportunity presents itself, the athlete slugs down copious amounts of water…and then….straight to the kidney’s goes the hydrating liquid. More urine is created…not better hydration.

    Dr. Seifert’s expertise is one of the many reasons why we worked to incorporate pressurization into hydration packs…thus allowing for the benefit of hand’s free hydration without sacrificing the significant benefit of the spray that is appreciated from a squeeze water bottle or flexible hydrating flask. The best of both worlds.

    If Optimal Hydration is the goal of hydration system, then that’s what we’re going for with the GEIGERRIG. Frequent, convenient, near effortless, squirts of water into your mouth throughout the day rather than sucking down large amounts of hydrating fluids that end up pooling in the kidneys and producing more urine rather than optimal hydration…

    Having some top level science behind the discussions is so, so cool. Especially from a PhD from the hydrating laboratories of Gatorade. It’s real stuff, not just brands, logos and hype. Nice.

    • Excellent feedback and thoughts Robert! It was truly fascinating to interview John, he’s so informed and enlightening – I came away from our conversation with more knowledge than I knew what to do with!

      I definitely agree that the Geigerrig spray system makes productive hydration very accessible for active people (hikers, climbers, etc). Last week, I was hiking to Havasu Falls in the Grand Canyon – a scorching 10 mile hike in each direction, in 100 degree weather. This was my first big trip with my new Geigerrig hydration pack, and I immediately noticed how much better I was able to keep myself hydrated with small, frequent drinks. I’ve always used at Nalgene, and that requires stopping, unclipping it from my pack, opening the bottle, drinking, closing it back up, re-clipping it, and hoisting my pack back on – total waste of time and energy. Throughout the Havasu hike, I was able to just reach for my hydration mouthpiece, and take a quick drink as often as I pleased.

      I was definitely impressed, and certainly better hydrated.

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